6 Responses to “An interesting pair of (somewhat but not entirely related) articles:”
The ban on cloves really cheeses me off. They weren’t marketed to minors and minors didn’t smoke them. They were too expensive and you had to go to an actual tobacco store to get them, kids just get cheap cigs at the gas station.
Abby quit smoking, but we both still enjoyed an occasional clove on the weekend with a beer or cup of coffee. Overall I like our president and I want healthcare reform, but this just smacks of overzealous “think of the children!” nanny-state-ism.
I agree that “flavored cigarettes” in general did not seem to be marketed to children, cloves included. I -will- say that in my days at the local Goth club as a teen, smoking cloves was the thing to do.
I never did, because my mom was such an intense smoker; I never wanted to get into the habit, like my best friend, who went from occasionally smoking to a pack a day.
I’ve talked about the public smoking ban with a number of prople, and a lot of us are in agreement: We would never actually vote for such a law, but we would be relieved if one were to exist in Michigan (one’s been in the works for a few years).
On a personal liberty level, it stinks, but in a quality-of-life sense (especially as someone with asthma), it really makes things better for me.
that article’s from 1985… have they not changed the content of cloves since then?
but yes, imho, cloves smell 100x better than cigarettes or cigars… in addition, cigars to me are just visually ugly; it looks like one is smoking/sucking on a turd.
It is possible, but I definitely wouldn’t presume so without further information, and moreso I definitely wouldn’t presume they’ve somehow made cloves healthier in comparison to today’s cigarette.
In other words, they are comparing 1985 cloves with 1985 cigarettes – I suspect any changes due to legislation happened across the board, which would still make clove cigarettes approximately twice as unhealthy in those ways.
The ban on cloves really cheeses me off. They weren’t marketed to minors and minors didn’t smoke them. They were too expensive and you had to go to an actual tobacco store to get them, kids just get cheap cigs at the gas station.
Abby quit smoking, but we both still enjoyed an occasional clove on the weekend with a beer or cup of coffee. Overall I like our president and I want healthcare reform, but this just smacks of overzealous “think of the children!” nanny-state-ism.
I agree that “flavored cigarettes” in general did not seem to be marketed to children, cloves included. I -will- say that in my days at the local Goth club as a teen, smoking cloves was the thing to do.
I never did, because my mom was such an intense smoker; I never wanted to get into the habit, like my best friend, who went from occasionally smoking to a pack a day.
I’ve talked about the public smoking ban with a number of prople, and a lot of us are in agreement: We would never actually vote for such a law, but we would be relieved if one were to exist in Michigan (one’s been in the works for a few years).
On a personal liberty level, it stinks, but in a quality-of-life sense (especially as someone with asthma), it really makes things better for me.
(Note that I’m not saying one trumps the other.)
I always thought clove smokers were more pleasant to be around.
I do like the smell of clove, though according to the CDC, “… clove cigarettes averaged over twice as much tar, nicotine, and carbon monoxide delivery as moderate tar-containing American cigarettes (3). Also, in the United States, clove cigarette smoke is inhaled deeply and retained in the lungs.”
They also say that the active ingredient in cloves is an anesthetic, which may mask the negative sensations of inhaling cigarette smoke.
Or do you mean personality-wise? :)
that article’s from 1985… have they not changed the content of cloves since then?
but yes, imho, cloves smell 100x better than cigarettes or cigars… in addition, cigars to me are just visually ugly; it looks like one is smoking/sucking on a turd.
It is possible, but I definitely wouldn’t presume so without further information, and moreso I definitely wouldn’t presume they’ve somehow made cloves healthier in comparison to today’s cigarette.
In other words, they are comparing 1985 cloves with 1985 cigarettes – I suspect any changes due to legislation happened across the board, which would still make clove cigarettes approximately twice as unhealthy in those ways.